WTF? What a clusterfuck.. Sorry for all of you living on the coast and all the people that like to eat fish.. you are officially fucked.
I know the government has no way to really fix this but I am disapointed with the radio silence. They need to be on TV every day saying some shit
Full Version: Oil Spill
I agree, its totally been a cluster fuck. I honestly think there is more that could be done. It doesnt seem like that large of an area that the oil is coming out of. I know nothing of the process though. It just seems with all this technology we have something could be done and in a much quicker time frame.
The government has dropped the ball like it always does no matter who is in charge.
The government has dropped the ball like it always does no matter who is in charge.
It's the worst convo topic ever because 99% of people are just irrationally mad at BP.
QUOTE (Kashew @ May 22 2010, 11:00 PM) 
It's the worst convo topic ever because 99% of people are just irrationally mad at BP.
Irrationally mad because BP sucks @ saftey percautions and quite a few industries are going to be hurting for a while? They dropped the ball big time, the government has dropped the ball, and just about everyone involved has dropped the ball. This is Obamas/BP's Katrina
QUOTE (VashtheStamp3d3 @ May 22 2010, 11:44 PM)
This is Obamas/BP's Katrina
Nope. Obama is a democrat, he gets a pass from his sock puppet media who are also democrats. Can you imagine the outrageous negative coverage we would be inundated with if this happened during W's 8 years or any republican president for that matter.
I particularly enjoyed Obama's speech where he stepped up the blame game, pointed fingers and yammered on about him not tolerating this. That's some class act leadership in action.
QUOTE (teabag @ May 23 2010, 08:20 AM)
Nope. Obama is a democrat, he gets a pass from his sock puppet media who are also democrats. Can you imagine the outrageous negative coverage we would be inundated with if this happened during W's 8 years or any republican president for that matter.
I particularly enjoyed Obama's speech where he stepped up the blame game, pointed fingers and yammered on about him not tolerating this. That's some class act leadership in action.
I particularly enjoyed Obama's speech where he stepped up the blame game, pointed fingers and yammered on about him not tolerating this. That's some class act leadership in action.
The thing about this that irks me with Obama is what I posted a couple months ago in this topic: http://www.geekempire.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=164722
Repubs would have something legit to bitch about for once but they wont because you know he did this with their interests in mind
I see this as total failure of why the government is there in the first place. The big corps run the show. Cheney got huge kickbacks for his energy plan and the new administration playing the same game. We are prisoners to the oil and gas companies. It's time to get serious about alternative energy.
I actually looked up all the regulations and according to this, the President is responsible for the response efforts, but it's delegated to the USCG for day-to-day purposes.
All I hear BP and Obama'man doing is talk talk talk and more talk. I want to see some action.... oh we wasted a week on a giant concrete box that ice crystals ruined..... I call bullshit,
What temperature does ocean water freeze....
ok so what temperature is the ocean at 5000 ft in the Gulf? I dunno I couldnt find those numbers but its clearly not -1.9 degrees C.
So it has now been weeks past and nothing is happening.....
This entire thing is probably a set up just to win support for alternative energies Smooth. You may not think that our government would do that but we all know they have done much worse.
Plain and simple its a power tactic.
What temperature does ocean water freeze....
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The freezing temperature of salt water depends on how much salt you put in. Oceanographers define the "salinity" of water as the number of grams of salt per 1000 grams of water. (Since 1000 grams of water is almost exactly 1 liter, it's also grams of salt per liter).
Here's a table which gives the freezing point of water at a number of different salinities:
S(g/kg) 0 10 20 24.7 30 35
T(freezing) © 0 -0.5 -1.08 -1.33 -1.63 -1.91
Away from rivers and glaciers, the ocean has a salinity of about 35. The Atlantic is about 1 salinity units saltier than the Pacific. So ocean water freezes at about -1.91 degrees C.
Here's a table which gives the freezing point of water at a number of different salinities:
S(g/kg) 0 10 20 24.7 30 35
T(freezing) © 0 -0.5 -1.08 -1.33 -1.63 -1.91
Away from rivers and glaciers, the ocean has a salinity of about 35. The Atlantic is about 1 salinity units saltier than the Pacific. So ocean water freezes at about -1.91 degrees C.
ok so what temperature is the ocean at 5000 ft in the Gulf? I dunno I couldnt find those numbers but its clearly not -1.9 degrees C.
So it has now been weeks past and nothing is happening.....
This entire thing is probably a set up just to win support for alternative energies Smooth. You may not think that our government would do that but we all know they have done much worse.
Plain and simple its a power tactic.
It wasn't water ice, it was methane hydrate ice.
ok that makes more sense.
I havent been following that closely because it just makes me sick.
either way what the fuck are they doing now? besides this bullshit
I stand by this -------->Tolbat:
On another note that compound is pretty interesting and not well understood.
https://www.llnl.gov/str/Durham.html
www.bp.com
I havent been following that closely because it just makes me sick.
either way what the fuck are they doing now? besides this bullshit
I stand by this -------->Tolbat:
QUOTE
This entire thing is probably a set up just to win support for alternative energies Smooth. You may not think that our government would do that but we all know they have done much worse.
Plain and simple its a power tactic.
Plain and simple its a power tactic.
On another note that compound is pretty interesting and not well understood.
https://www.llnl.gov/str/Durham.html
www.bp.com
QUOTE
Update on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Response - 24 May
Release date: 24 May 2010
BP today provided an update on developments in the response to the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf of Mexico.
Subsea Source Control and Containment
Subsea efforts continue to focus on progressing options to stop the flow of oil from the well through interventions via the blow out preventer (BOP) and to collect the flow of oil from the leak points. These efforts are being carried out in conjunction with governmental authorities and other industry experts.
Plans continue to develop a so called “top kill” operation where heavy drilling fluids are injected into the well to stem the flow of oil and gas and ultimately kill the well. Successfully killing the well may be followed by cement to seal the well. Most of the equipment is on site and preparations continue for this operation, with a view to deployment in a few days.
This is a complex operation requiring sophisticated diagnostic work and precise execution. As a result, it involves significant uncertainties and it is not possible to assure its success or to put a definite timescale on its deployment.
Drilling of the first relief well, which began on May 2 continues as does drilling of a second relief well, begun on May 16. Each of these wells is estimated to take some three months to complete from the commencement of drilling.
Work goes on to optimise the oil and gas collected from the damaged riser through the riser insertion tube tool (RITT). The collection rate continues to vary, primarily due to the flow parameters and physical characteristics within the riser.
In the period from May 17th to May 23rd, the daily oil rate collected by the RITT has ranged from 1,360 barrels of oil per day (b/d) to 3,000 b/d, and the daily gas rate has ranged from 4 million cubic feet per day (MMCFD) to 17 MMCFD.
In the same period, the average daily rate of oil and gas collected by the RITT containment system at the end of the leaking riser has been 2,010 barrels of oil per day (BOPD) and 10 MMCFD of gas. The oil is being stored and gas is being flared on the drillship Discoverer Enterprise, on the surface 5,000 feet above.
The RITT remains a new technology and both its continued operation and its effectiveness in capturing the oil and gas remain uncertain.
The US Government has appointed a flow rate technical team (FRTT) to determine the well flow rate. The FRTT includes the US Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, Department of Energy and the US Geological Survey. BP will continue to promptly provide all information necessary to make as accurate an assessment as possible of the rate of flow.
Surface Spill Response and Containment
Work continues to collect and disperse oil that has reached the surface of the sea. Over 1,100 vessels are involved in the response effort, including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels.
Intensive operations to skim oil from the surface of the water have now recovered, in total, some 243,000 barrels (10.2 million gallons) of oily liquid. The total length of boom deployed as part of efforts to prevent oil reaching the coast is now nearly 2.5 million feet, including over 730,000 feet of sorbent boom.
In total, over 22,000 personnel from BP, other companies and government agencies are currently involved in the response to this incident. So far 23,000 claims have been filed and 9,000 have already been paid.
The cost of the response to date amounts to about $760 million, including the cost of the spill response, containment, relief well drilling, grants to the Gulf states, claims paid and federal costs. It is too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident.
Further information:
BP Press Office London +44 20 7496 4076
BP Press office, US: +1 281 366 0265
Unified Command Joint Information Center +1 985 902 5231
www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com
www.bp.com/gulfofmexico
Release date: 24 May 2010
BP today provided an update on developments in the response to the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf of Mexico.
Subsea Source Control and Containment
Subsea efforts continue to focus on progressing options to stop the flow of oil from the well through interventions via the blow out preventer (BOP) and to collect the flow of oil from the leak points. These efforts are being carried out in conjunction with governmental authorities and other industry experts.
Plans continue to develop a so called “top kill” operation where heavy drilling fluids are injected into the well to stem the flow of oil and gas and ultimately kill the well. Successfully killing the well may be followed by cement to seal the well. Most of the equipment is on site and preparations continue for this operation, with a view to deployment in a few days.
This is a complex operation requiring sophisticated diagnostic work and precise execution. As a result, it involves significant uncertainties and it is not possible to assure its success or to put a definite timescale on its deployment.
Drilling of the first relief well, which began on May 2 continues as does drilling of a second relief well, begun on May 16. Each of these wells is estimated to take some three months to complete from the commencement of drilling.
Work goes on to optimise the oil and gas collected from the damaged riser through the riser insertion tube tool (RITT). The collection rate continues to vary, primarily due to the flow parameters and physical characteristics within the riser.
In the period from May 17th to May 23rd, the daily oil rate collected by the RITT has ranged from 1,360 barrels of oil per day (b/d) to 3,000 b/d, and the daily gas rate has ranged from 4 million cubic feet per day (MMCFD) to 17 MMCFD.
In the same period, the average daily rate of oil and gas collected by the RITT containment system at the end of the leaking riser has been 2,010 barrels of oil per day (BOPD) and 10 MMCFD of gas. The oil is being stored and gas is being flared on the drillship Discoverer Enterprise, on the surface 5,000 feet above.
The RITT remains a new technology and both its continued operation and its effectiveness in capturing the oil and gas remain uncertain.
The US Government has appointed a flow rate technical team (FRTT) to determine the well flow rate. The FRTT includes the US Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, Department of Energy and the US Geological Survey. BP will continue to promptly provide all information necessary to make as accurate an assessment as possible of the rate of flow.
Surface Spill Response and Containment
Work continues to collect and disperse oil that has reached the surface of the sea. Over 1,100 vessels are involved in the response effort, including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels.
Intensive operations to skim oil from the surface of the water have now recovered, in total, some 243,000 barrels (10.2 million gallons) of oily liquid. The total length of boom deployed as part of efforts to prevent oil reaching the coast is now nearly 2.5 million feet, including over 730,000 feet of sorbent boom.
In total, over 22,000 personnel from BP, other companies and government agencies are currently involved in the response to this incident. So far 23,000 claims have been filed and 9,000 have already been paid.
The cost of the response to date amounts to about $760 million, including the cost of the spill response, containment, relief well drilling, grants to the Gulf states, claims paid and federal costs. It is too early to quantify other potential costs and liabilities associated with the incident.
Further information:
BP Press Office London +44 20 7496 4076
BP Press office, US: +1 281 366 0265
Unified Command Joint Information Center +1 985 902 5231
www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com
www.bp.com/gulfofmexico
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill
well finally after Obama wigged out on them something is happening.
I have my fingers crossed, although sadly I think the damage has already been done.
well finally after Obama wigged out on them something is happening.
I have my fingers crossed, although sadly I think the damage has already been done.
The whole administration is so ineffective it's embarrassing. If they can't get BP to stop using one type of dispersant for another because it's harmful to the environment, then how are they going to assert themselves on the world stage?
they need to suck up all that damn oil and put it in my car
There's enough gas in that spill to keep all of Ohio in gas for life.
edit: maybe a bit much (tol)
nuff said
Tolbat I love you but you gotta take the tinfoil hat off
ha yea, but its kinda fun wearing it, I mean the aliens haven't abducted me in weeks. my ass feels hella better.
besides kashew has been the king nut for to long
besides kashew has been the king nut for to long
This whole oil leak thing has been overly ridiculas for a while now. The more I listen to what they're doing to attempt to fix it just angers me even more. Last I heard they tried fucking stuffing some fucking golf balls (yes you read right) in the pipe to try to stuff it up. I was watching the news the other day and some dickhead thought it would be a good idea to use a chemical dispursant that breaks up the globs of oil to smaller particles (I still dont understand why they would want to do that) when the chemical was more deadly than the actual crude oil was. Are these people that fucking retarded? We can go to space, clone animals, drill 5,000 feet below the earths surface, have a man made object so large you can see it from space (great wall), make food that can seemingly last a nuclear holocost (mcdonalds and twinkees) yet we cant fucking plug a hole in a pipe.
This is like a South Park episode in real life, kinda reminds me of the episode when they ran out of internet...
/end rant
/tolbat hands vash a tinfoil hat
your right though
your right though
I would make a tinfoil hat look good
I thought this about sums up how most people feel.
DELETE PLEASE 
QUOTE (tolbat @ Jun 5 2010, 07:04 PM)
I thought this about sums up how most people feel.
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TLMjfTWOIs...feature=related
This old man is hilarious
This is still goin' on? Damn, if I were living in the Gulf area, I'd be demanding some government accountability. Sucks that everyone down there is a moron, though.
QUOTE (Kashew @ Jun 7 2010, 10:52 AM)
Sucks that everyone down there is a moron, though.
dumb statement
You know its going to be a real sad fucking day when this shit hits the east coast. If you find yourself wondering how that could happen I suggest looking into the Gulf Stream. Once this oil and sludge rounds Florida you will begen seeing tar balls (NOT TARRACHAL BALLS mind you) on beaches all the way to New York. Once that happens you will see some action, because thats where the liberal rich fags live.
This will be Obama's Katrina times 1000 once the real story of how the local governments are being ignored.
Gulf Stream
http://www.triangle-bermudes.com/images/mer_gulf_stream.jpg
Oil Spill
http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/
This will be Obama's Katrina times 1000 once the real story of how the local governments are being ignored.
Gulf Stream
http://www.triangle-bermudes.com/images/mer_gulf_stream.jpg
Oil Spill
http://paulrademacher.com/oilspill/
The scary thing about that Tolbat is hurrican season is approaching us and they're still running around like a bunch of window lickers.
These so called solutions they've come up with so far are laughable, I seriously think the GEGN community can come up with better feasable solutions than these morons.
These so called solutions they've come up with so far are laughable, I seriously think the GEGN community can come up with better feasable solutions than these morons.
QUOTE (VashtheStamp3d3 @ Jun 7 2010, 07:49 PM)
The scary thing about that Tolbat is hurrican season is approaching us and they're still running around like a bunch of window lickers.
These so called solutions they've come up with so far are laughable, I seriously think the GEGN community can come up with better feasable solutions than these morons.
These so called solutions they've come up with so far are laughable, I seriously think the GEGN community can come up with better feasable solutions than these morons.
Yea the Hurricanes are not only going to mix this stuff up but spread it elseware. We could get really really lucky and have one push it all onshore. There would be a mess but we can clean that at least.
Thanks for the idea lol
It sucks to be right.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-new...ches_2010-06-07
http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-new...ches_2010-06-07
QUOTE
"According to NCAR's simulation, the oil could reach Florida's Atlantic coast within weeks. From there it could move as far north as Cape Hatteras, North Carolina.
But there are huge differences between that computer model and real life."
But there are huge differences between that computer model and real life."
From the Weather Channel Live Chat
The DJ guy had an idea that made some sense about clogging the pipe, and he was ignored........
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12:56 [Comment From DJ DDJ D: ]
Is there a possibility of applying a Steel Mesh inside the pipe in terms of slowing the oil down and hopefully lowering the Pressure and/or also inserting a fatty-like conductor that will kind of coagulate the oil and make the pipe like a clogged artery?
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:56 DJ D
12:57 [Comment From Cody MillerCody Miller: ]
Is there anyway a Hurricane can pull in the oil towards the texas coast?
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:57 Cody Miller
12:58 Bob Weisberg: Kyle, The physical chemistry of oil allows it to take many forms, not just big buoyant globs. Just how much hydrocarbon from the spill is at depth remains to be determined. Sampling is just now beginning and it will take some time before we really know the extend and magnitude of this potential problem.
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:58 Bob Weisberg
12:59 wereley: That falls into the area of a top kill and I don't think the well can handle that...
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:59 wereley
1:00 Dr. Knabb: Hi Cody,
A tropical storm or hurricane that follows a particular track and is of a certain size and strength could push some oil toward the Texas coast, depending on what concentrations of oil there are in the Gulf at the time of the storm. For example, any tropical system crossing the central or southern Gulf from east to west, or southeast to northwest, would probably be the most likely general scenario to push more oil toward Texas, but the specifics are very difficult to predict.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:00 Dr. Knabb
1:00 Renee: We will not be taking any new questions, but we will stay live a little longer to let the experts answer a few more of the questions in queue.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:00 Renee
1:04 [Comment From JenniferJennifer: ]
I am just wondering has the Oil Spill reached Panama City Beach, FL yet? If not when do you think it will reach?
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:04 Jennifer
1:06 Bob Weisberg: Jennifer, I do not believe so. For the next few days the winds are forecast to drive oil the other way, but over a long enough time we certainly must remain concerned.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:06 Bob Weisberg
1:06 Renee: This
Is there a possibility of applying a Steel Mesh inside the pipe in terms of slowing the oil down and hopefully lowering the Pressure and/or also inserting a fatty-like conductor that will kind of coagulate the oil and make the pipe like a clogged artery?
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:56 DJ D
12:57 [Comment From Cody MillerCody Miller: ]
Is there anyway a Hurricane can pull in the oil towards the texas coast?
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:57 Cody Miller
12:58 Bob Weisberg: Kyle, The physical chemistry of oil allows it to take many forms, not just big buoyant globs. Just how much hydrocarbon from the spill is at depth remains to be determined. Sampling is just now beginning and it will take some time before we really know the extend and magnitude of this potential problem.
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:58 Bob Weisberg
12:59 wereley: That falls into the area of a top kill and I don't think the well can handle that...
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:59 wereley
1:00 Dr. Knabb: Hi Cody,
A tropical storm or hurricane that follows a particular track and is of a certain size and strength could push some oil toward the Texas coast, depending on what concentrations of oil there are in the Gulf at the time of the storm. For example, any tropical system crossing the central or southern Gulf from east to west, or southeast to northwest, would probably be the most likely general scenario to push more oil toward Texas, but the specifics are very difficult to predict.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:00 Dr. Knabb
1:00 Renee: We will not be taking any new questions, but we will stay live a little longer to let the experts answer a few more of the questions in queue.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:00 Renee
1:04 [Comment From JenniferJennifer: ]
I am just wondering has the Oil Spill reached Panama City Beach, FL yet? If not when do you think it will reach?
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:04 Jennifer
1:06 Bob Weisberg: Jennifer, I do not believe so. For the next few days the winds are forecast to drive oil the other way, but over a long enough time we certainly must remain concerned.
Thursday June 10, 2010 1:06 Bob Weisberg
1:06 Renee: This
The DJ guy had an idea that made some sense about clogging the pipe, and he was ignored........
http://www.necn.com/06/10/10/Costner-claim...amp;feedID=4213
Costner claims ready-to-use Gulf oil cleanup device
Costner claims ready-to-use Gulf oil cleanup device
I saw that, and watched another video of the machine in use. It seems to be viable, and Costner is right... why the hell isnt it being used? If not by BP, but the state governments, and federal government. I don't know what happend to this country but we have become lazy, incompetent, sheep. Blame Blame Blame. And so we like Rome are in our twilight.
This entire government, right, left, center, or just wacko is incompetent. The fact that the companies doing the drilling in deep water have no workable plans in place for this is laughable.
Hello we are America, we make stealth aircraft, space vehicles/crafts, city sized aircraft carriers, micro chips, and so on and so on.... But one oil well 5000 feet below the ocean is just too much for us.
This entire government, right, left, center, or just wacko is incompetent. The fact that the companies doing the drilling in deep water have no workable plans in place for this is laughable.
Hello we are America, we make stealth aircraft, space vehicles/crafts, city sized aircraft carriers, micro chips, and so on and so on.... But one oil well 5000 feet below the ocean is just too much for us.
QUOTE (tolbat @ Jun 10 2010, 01:54 PM)
I saw that, and watched another video of the machine in use. It seems to be viable, and Costner is right... why the hell isnt it being used? If not by BP, but the state governments, and federal government. I don't know what happend to this country but we have become lazy, incompetent, sheep. Blame Blame Blame. And so we like Rome are in our twilight.
This entire government, right, left, center, or just wacko is incompetent. The fact that the companies doing the drilling in deep water have no workable plans in place for this is laughable.
Hello we are America, we make stealth aircraft, space vehicles/crafts, city sized aircraft carriers, micro chips, and so on and so on.... But one oil well 5000 feet below the ocean is just too much for us.
This entire government, right, left, center, or just wacko is incompetent. The fact that the companies doing the drilling in deep water have no workable plans in place for this is laughable.
Hello we are America, we make stealth aircraft, space vehicles/crafts, city sized aircraft carriers, micro chips, and so on and so on.... But one oil well 5000 feet below the ocean is just too much for us.
You know they have a ton of things before they can clean up the spill. They had to watch the finale of Glee...Then the new Twilight is coming out, so they gotta watch the last 2 before they watch the new one. I'm sure they had to see how to most efficiently gather Vespian oil in SC2 aswell...gohhhh
With the oil finally making it to the coastlines of several states. It saddens me no one is thinking of the poor creatures on our shorelines being affected.
Pre Oil Spill
Post Oil Spill
Pre Oil Spill
Post Oil Spill
You know man thats the biggest damn shame on the face of the planet. i was mad at the spill, but after seeing that I am enraged!!!
That's awesome.
QUOTE (VashtheStamp3d3 @ Jun 15 2010, 02:27 PM)
thank you, idk wtf happend
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